All of this information is from a "How I understand it"-point of view and is to be taken with a grain of doubt, 'kay?
So, Inters*x discribes a person that, biologically speaking, is neither male or female. The s*x of a person depends on a variety of factors, such as internal and external organs, hormones, neurons, etc. If your brain structure,, your chromosomes, your physical appearance (including the unmentionable parts), your bodychemistry and general anatomy all align with one of the, say, traditional genders, male or female, you are asigned accordingly.
For a variety of reasons, it might happen that all those things do not align. A "common" one (Common is a bit of a stretch, since Inters are very rare), is that you are born with XY chromosomes but somehow your body developes female, to some degree. This is because all babies are a proto-version of a female at first and then slowly shift into male one, should the chromosomes say so. That's also why men have nipples, by the way. So, the chromosomes say male, but certain parts, that are typical for male specimen, don't get the memo (I am not a biologist, don't ask me how that happens! Let's just go with the umbrella-term 'mutations'.) and develope female.
Now, calling Inter a gender isn't quite right. First of, gender is currently associated with the concept of social gender, which is another can of worms entirely, whereas Inters*x is nothing but biology. Many inters grow up as a gender they identify with and don't exactly wear their biological situation on the sleeve. Second of, there is no clear definition what combination of traits makes you inter. Maybe you have a combination of male and female... err... parts and you, being inter, is phyiscally visible, or maybe your brain and parts of your hormone levels correspond to female, even though your body seems all male. There is a probably limitless variety of 'combinations'. Inter is an umbrella-term for everything that isn't biologically male or female.
I don't know what the fourth 'gender' you where talking about would be. Transmen or transwomen are just men and women, respectively (Which, on a biological level, is also an interesting topic, but still highly debated), if that's what you mean.
The Waukesha Wisconsin incident was something entirely tragic and regrettable that occurred. Calling it "canon" will not be tolerated on this wiki. The event was not some story, it was an actual crime that greatly affected the wiki and the mythos, and even moreso affected an entire state.
I do not care about your opinion on the matter, do not make such statements again.
I'm not gonna ban you just yet, mostly because I really don't feel like you are the kind of person I usually have to ban, also because you use an account, whichfore you deserve an offical warning. This one.
Try to formulate your points a bit more carefully. If you want help with that, I can provide that, wording is the one thing I am really, really good at.
Well, while I appreciate you not banning me yet (although I kinda think Pyro will eventually lol), I don't think I really wrote my points in a very offensive kind of way. I'm not advocating violence or sacrifices or anything, I'm just pointing out that such stuff exists within the mythos, as do multiple interpretations of what being a proxy means. In any case, if someone is just looking for some excuse to "go ballistic" they'll find it somewhere anyway. I've participated in numerous forums during the last few years, usually for a while when I'm "researching" a certain topic. I don't believe in being uncivil or spamming or anything like that, but I speak openly about what I think. Meaning, I don't LOOK to be banned anywhere, but if I am, then I am. I'm not mad about it or anything... You know, I DO actually have friends in real life too, I'm not 100% reliant on the internet for social interaction (only 99% lol). That being said, I might edit my post a bit to make it seem a little bit less biased. I was just so "pointed" with what I said bc I just felt what Pyro said was really one-sided and only wanted to be apologetic towards people that would come along and say "Slenderman turns kids into killers".
And about the two girls, yeah I kinda "like" them, but not in the way Pyro means it in the video. Like I mentioned that I donate to the help fund for Morgan that her family set up, right? You can have a look at it at "Slenderchance.com". The family btw as far as I can tell don't really care if there's any supernatural background or not, I talked to a friend of Morgan's mother a while ago. They only want their now 14 year old daughter to come back home and live a normal life. Like seriously, she was tried as an ADULT. Where I live, you wouldn't even get tried before a court if you committ an offense at 12.
Anyway, I think you're a nice guy and I enjoy talking with you on here, I want you to know that. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble to explain myself in so much detail now :)
I really hope that, once it boils down to it, I will be the one to ban you. Pyro always gets to ban all the people and she works so much harder than me, I would really appreciate the opportunity to do something myself, for a change.
Okay, listen, I'm not saying you're wrong about... some of the stuff you say. The thing is, we, as Admins, have to be really sensible about certain topics. Full no-compromise mode. We're between a rock and modern media.
I also found it weird how the girls were tried, to be honest. To me, it was always obvious that they belonged into mental facillities, not prison. But I really hope they won't be released out of pity, they need to be safe, first things first.
I also assure you, I am not a nice guy, I am a rational guy. But I, too, do enjoy our conversations.
So, I thought I could at least explain to you why I have to shoot a lot of your theories down:
Because people are idiots.
For example, if we admitted Ticci Toby or Jeff the Killer to be part of canonical discussions, we'd have to extent the "Stating fake"-rule to them, which means we could do less against those very annoying people that keep claiming those figures are real and also tragic heroes and in love with what appears to be a majority of all anonymous users that ever came across our Wikis.
Also, while Slenderman is ambiguous enough so he, or, to be precise, something related to him in some far-fetched way, could be real. If there is something supernatural in this world, why not him?
Jeff and Toby, however, are absolutely fake and have been proven so by multiple sources, so that'd also ruin the whole "It could be real"-atmosphere, on the long run.
But those are peanuts, annoying but not lethal. Unless you're really allergic to peanuts, which I don't mean to disrespect.
Now about Morgan Geyser, her psychotic girlfriend and all stuff related... The thing is, as I said, people are idiots. And idiots are unpleasantly dangerous if left to their own devices. If we allowed the possibillity that Morgan could even be remotely connected to Slenderman in an actual way, which is not the case, by the way, I have been REALLY carefull with my research and I have autism, so if I say I am sufficingly informed, believe me that I am... Anyway, if we allowed that kind of suggestion, some mentally challended nutcase could see that as confirmation, or lack of clear denial, which is arguably the same thing, that Slenderman could want them to stab someone with a knife. And that'd be our fault. Which, mildy put, would be a bad thing. Slenderman doesn't behave this way and we have to make ourselves very clear about that, so there won't be any psychopaths that use anything we said as an excuse.
I'm not sorry if I sound harsh towards you, at times, but I don't do it because I enjoy it, or because I am some stuck-up conservative that likes to spoil all the fun, but because it's kinda my duty, okay?
Feel free to post your other theories, that could not be very dangerous in the wrong brain, as you see fit and I will gladly debate you until I get bored or distracted by shiny objects.
I appreciate your statement, Implord. As I said, I understand where you're coming from. I personally woudl debate that there is no connection between Morgan and Slenderman, but that's probably because I view Slenderman more as an "archetype" of some sort. And you have to admit that I at least tried to word my theory in a way that didn't sound as if I wanted to glorify the whole thing.
Look, I understand what you're saying about people being mad and all that, but the sad reality is that someone who's looking for some justification to do something evil will find it anywhere. I believe that every normal person would see that Slenderman - if he really exists - is evil. But unfortunately, there's people out there that worship evil. But they will do that anyway, no matter if it's Slenderman or some other demon or entity. But as I promised, I won't post anymore directly related to the stabbing case.
And as for Jeff:. Jeff of course has lots of things in common with real serial killers, but that doesn' tmean I'd consider him as a real person. There's just too little evidence.
Obviously though, some of my other theories about proxies etc would also be applicable to Morgan in my opinion but I did never and will never mention the actual case outside of the "Stabbings" thread, ok? I'm not that stupid, trust me a bit :)
Lightseeker2000 wrote: Obviously though, some of my other theories about proxies etc would also be applicable to Morgan in my opinion but I did never and will never mention the actual case outside of the "Stabbings" thread, ok? I'm not that stupid, trust me a bit :)
I don't trust people. Unless I have known them for over a year and consider them good friends. And even then, trust is not something I give out carelessly.
However, I can try to not assume you are about to do something unpleasant, all the time. Does that sound fair?
You're tough lol. But I guess you've been through a lot of shit back in 2014 when all those angry parents, journalists etc. flooded all the boards. I wasn't here much back then, but I remember what it was like over at the CP wiki. So it sounds fair enough. And I'll rest assured, if I do do something unpleasant, you'll let me know :)
Lightseeker2000 wrote: Just one last comment on this: You can please stop slamming me in that thread now (I read your reply on the psychiatrists), I'll be good and won't post anymore theories over there, I promise! :))
That wasn't slamming, that was my attempt to make a joke.
Oh gosh, do I sound like I'm being very serious about stuff, by chance? Geez, no wonder people get mad at me all the time...
As apparent to anyone who visits our Off-Topic thread, we are very immature people. We spend lots of time goofing around and doing small-talk. Which is why I joined in on your MLP-joke, in case it it escaped your notice.
But seriously, in what kind of voice do you read what I write? How do I sound inside your brain, assuming it is capable of progressing auditive information?
Yeah, but I fit in well then, I'm kinda a bit immature myself. And don't worry, I get when you're joking. I'm just messing around with you a bit.
I wanted to say one more thing to our original topic of the stabbings: I think you guys here somewhat underestimate the extent to which this event has influenced the perception of the certain aspects of the mythos. I've been a Slenderman fan since the beginning, so I can tell how certain ideas became "mainstream" after 2014. Three examples that I'm also contemplating about:
1.) Fanfic about girls that kill their parents, friends, school bullies etc and then are chosen as proxies. I found no such stories earlier than 2015.
2.) The idea that proxies can maintain a kind of free will and agency and are not just robots. - I adhere to this too btw.
3.) The idea of a Creepypasta hierarchy (seems plausible to me btw) consisting of Slenderman (and his brothers) at the top, then the Killers (like Jeff) and then the proxies, was first introduced by Anissa in her police interrogation and has from there on been picked up in the fandom.
Meaning: Even if very few people directly mention the case, it has influenced the mythos to an extent that some ideas might even eventually become canon.
Yeah, that's not true. I've been very active in the Creepypasta-Fandom around 2011 'till 2015 or something and those three things always existed, even before that.
1. Most Proxy-Pastas I've read tried to solidify the Proxy-Status of their protagonist by having them kill someone dear to them. For all I know, that's how Morgan Geyser got the idea in the first place...
2. Have you seen the way the Fandom usually depicts characters like Ticci Toby?
3. There have always been Creepypasta-Hierarchy-Models. I created some of them myself. And the Killers have usually been high-ranking.
Of course, the idiots among the CP-Fandom picked things up from the stabbings.
As for canon-adaption...
Most of the Fandom reacted in shock to these events and I hope and believe they will avoid creating simillar Proxy-origin-stories. The canon has always featured proxies with varying levels of autonomy. And the Killers are not part of the canon and I doubt they ever will be. I don't want them to be, either. They'd ruin everything. It's like declaring a Slendy x Benjamin the Elephant crossover as canon.
Hmhh, it's interesting you mention those points existed earlier, I never really noticed these kind of stories much before the stabbings. I actually wonder how much MY perception of the mythos has somewhat (consciously or unconscioulsy) been influenced by what Morgan and Anissa said about Slenderman, proxies, Killers etc......
Implord wrote: because all the nutcases want to believe Geyser and Weier are Real Life-Proxies.
Hmh, I'll withhold my vote on that honestly. In either case, they didn't manage to become real-life proxies. IF Morgan really had some contact with Slenderman and IF for whatever reason he wanted that particular victim killed , then they "failed" him, so he'd regard them as useless. Not saying here that he DID want that to happen, just saying that if it was the case, he'd think like that. Would explain why Morgan said he stopped talking to her and didn't react at all as soon as they went away from Payton.....